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PostSubject: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:41 pm

I am SGL]GnR head admin of the SGL. I got msg'd by NrG manager about the post made on TL.net and I unfortunately was asleep for everything so I didnt get a chance to defend the league's(my) decision. I have read some of the comments in the post and I have somethings to say about the things said about the league and especially the MSN conversation I had with them.

Let me just start off by defending the fact that I said 'I didn't need proof it's my league." I said this because I don't need the proof to remove them from the league. I have the power to do that myself. If the public wants proof I can give them the proof but at that point, there had been no proof needed and I wasn't going to bother the managers of other teams to get the replays of the NrG player's bad manner. I believe it shows a lot of the team's "manners" to take that one single part out of the MSN conversation(which was very long) to show to the public. This gives me even more confidence that the decision I made was the correct one.

The second point that I will make is that I want those of you who disagree to look at everything in best interest for the league. If NrG is so quick to BM in a qualifier, how do I expect this to get any better in the regular season. I have had requests to watch the next clan war of NrG because of the previous BM complaints from two of the teams in the league. When a team so early in the SC2 scene ALREADY has a reputation of bad manner, there is indeed a problem and it needs to be fixed. The major influencing of my decision was the fact that we were in qualifiers, a 3 week long event, and we have already had problems/complaints for Team Energy. This makes me worried for the regular season, a 7 week long event, if they were to qualify.

I think some people are thinking that I banned this team based on only the BM series between Catz and AhhBoxxah. This was indeed not a severe offense of BM and I understand that. It wasnt the fact that there was BM, it was the fact that it is a repeated pattern of bad manner and I need to put a stop to it before the league gets a reputation of allowing this type of behavior. When two teams have already complained about NrG there are bound to be more problems not only with the teams complaining but with new teams who face them(i.e ROOT). AhhBoxxah out of nowhere said something that I'm sure he knew would start problems. There is a time and place for everything and he chose the very wrong place. I should also state that once I had made the decision to DQ NrG from the qualifiers I made it clear to them that I wouldnt be banning them for future seasons. I made this decision when NrG.NeverExpo(head manager of NrG) started relentlessly bad mannering the SGL and myself. This again, proved to me that this team is a hazard to the league and I made the correct decision. So to clarify, the banning of NrG was not due to THIS particular incident, but their history as a team and past experiences with other competitors. Players tend to forget that every time they play SC2 they're representing their team.

I understand that it's a problem that ROOT.Catz bad mannered the NrG player back. This was his first offense reported to me and I gave him a warning that if it happened again it would result in problems. The difference between him and NrG, is they have already had 2 complaints to me and ROOT has had 0. People can complain about ROOT being one of the top teams in America, but my reasoning is sufficient for not banning Catz or ROOT. If they had previous offenses against them mentioned to me, this may be a different story.

I apologize for those of you who disagree with the decision to remove Team Energy from the qualifiers. I understand we all have our own opinions and I'm open to listening them to improve decisions that the league will make for all seasons. However, I stick behind my decision to keep them out and move on with the league. I truly think this is the best decision for the league to dodge any more problems with might encounter. I should also say that the fact that NrG publicized is very unprofessional and shows just what team they are and the managing styles of NrG.NeverExpo. It is very unfortunate that this had to happen and I understand some people may disagree. But what has been done is done. This is open for discussion thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:03 pm

I want the proof please. Smile I have already seen the replay of Boxxah and CatZ, but I'd like to see their other 2 instances if possible. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:01 pm

I definitely would like to see the "proof." Considering at the time of the removal NrG had only one other clan war in which the opposing team says there were no problems. As for the CW in question I can't fathom either team being disqualified. At the very most action should have been taken against the player(s) and not the team and certainly not in as a harsh a manner.

I also believe he (NrG.NeverExpo) was within his right to make a post on TeamLiquid since this is a community league and your decisions will effect everyone involved in the league and may hold sway over new teams wanting to join in the future. NrG is a very old, established and well liked/respected team in the community. It seems highly suspect to ban a team for three seasons with even the reported "2" complaints.

Also, as a side note; over the many years of SCBW sMi has had the pleasure of having many CW's against them (NrG) both friendly and otherwise with no problems at all.

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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:05 pm

like i said it wasnt that particular event. if ahhboxxah was the problem i wouldve just banned him. but it has been a result of the team's history of bm which was the problem. a new league that already has a pain from a team (twice in the league) is not worth keeping around for possibly 7 more weeks. i hope you understand that now Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:38 pm

GnR is a great admin and a pioneer in SC2 leaguing. This situation was pretty clear-cut admin work - BM Team BM's three other teams and gets kicked from the league. The only thing I would have done differently was assign arbitrary penalty points. It would have ended the same way.

Keep it up GnR!
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:43 pm

SGL]GnR wrote:
like i said it wasnt that particular event. if ahhboxxah was the problem i wouldve just banned him. but it has been a result of the team's history of bm which was the problem. a new league that already has a pain from a team (twice in the league) is not worth keeping around for possibly 7 more weeks. i hope you understand that now Very Happy


I don't want your summary of the proof of you may or may not have. I'd actually like to see what NRG did that was so BM. Do you have replays? Pictures of conversations? Anything concrete?
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:33 am

Wow guys really? What is done is done, nrG has been taken out nothing changes. If anythign Alou you should be happy you are more than likely going to be in the league now. You guys keep beating the dead horse on this one. Im tired of seeing this thing getting revived. There was more that more than likely happened that hasn't been seen and if they choose to keep that to themselves then its their decision. Leave it at that and lets get this League going. The thread on TL was closed for a reason and this one should end here aswell. There is no reason to keep this going.
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:53 am

Lol you guys really want the proof? Heres the replay of arf vs stev where they called him a cheese player and also Deph (?) said that arf is a free win on the ladder if he ever faced him. They go on to call him a cheesing player who only obtained diamond through cheesing. I tell them to manner up and they go off on me for telling them to respect my player. There isn't major BM but thats disrepecting a player hands down, I don't care what you say, you don't talk about my players infront of me like that. Some of you might say I was being oversensitive but you don't go calling someone cheese just because he beat someone with a bunker rush, a top team like NrG should know better, regardless of what is said.


Now I have nothing against NrG but most of you guys have never ran a league I assume. If you really must know, kicking NrG seems like the best route for GnR because he doesn't want to have to deal with the bullshit. Like I said I have nothing against them but how about you try and run a league and try and deal with this shit. This is also his first league, cut this guy some slack.


Replay http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/1044


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Click the spoiler for the chat log.


Now lets get pass this, if its anything I've learned is that the Starcraft scene is really drama thristy, and most teams don't have clue how leagues work, guess leagues were a wc3 thing.
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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:57 am

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Now lets get pass this, if its anything I've learned is that the Starcraft scene is really drama thristy, and most teams don't have clue how leagues work, guess leagues were a wc3 thing.


Not to be too picky but I guarantee you many of us (particularly in sMi) have been playing in leagues for ages before Warcraft 3 was even released. That's an incredibly ignorant statement to make. It's true we have no experience with the way War3 leagues are run but on the same token you have no idea how our leagues were run.

That being said, we should look towards the future and combine our league experiences, the things that worked well for SC and the things that worked well for War3. In doing so perhaps we can ensure that all of our time here will be enjoyable and hopefully drama free Razz

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PostSubject: Re: SGL's Decision to remove NrG   Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:04 pm

That whole chat lag was said in allied chat, so I dont know why it says all. Sure some things we said maybe a little off but we were really being bm lol. We just called him cheesy and were joking around. Same thing CatZ was going right? joking. Razz Everyone so sensitive about this. Fact is we are not a BM team. And GnR hadn't even seen this before making his decision Razz

Maybe if we were saying this stuff directly to arf it would be bm, but he was playing and we arent like that, we were just being playful in allied chat Razz
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